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To all CSX employees....Fred Grippon is now doing claims for the
Division
Fred's contact info is as follows.
Click on Fred's name below for an Email link
91
Ocean Parkway APT.2B
Grievance
form or G-M-8 This
was on the BLE&T Site (In the Membership section)...It can be put into an
email form and all you have
to do is type in the claim and send it off...However, you still have to send the
denials in as well...
If you are not registered for the
Membership section of the BLE&T Website, do so
To file a claim: Click
on the yellow highlighted "Grievance Form" above, this opens another
page. This will let you "open"
or "save"...(click
"open" )
The form should appear and
you can cut and paste form to an Email. I'm not sure about the CSX but over here
on CRSAA you can go into the main frame at home and bring up your pay, you can
go to the penalty card and the denial and cut and paste them to the same Email
as the G-m-8 form...
Penalty Time Cards…Who, What, Where, When and Why…
Who Ordered you to do it?
What were you ordered to do?
Where was this ordered (Which yard
or MP location)?
When were you ordered to do it?
Why is this a penalty?
- A good idea is to put down on your penalty slip what radio channel the
conversation took place on in case the radio tapes need to be pulled …
- Always make three copies of your Penalty slip, one to submit to the
carrier, one for your Local Chairman and one for your own records…
- On the main BLET site is a members only section where you can research
to find out if what you think is a claim is really a claim…
- If you have an agreement book, keep it with you, you can learn a lot by
reading it. If you’re stopped at a signal someplace or in the lunchroom
and you have a few spare minutes open it up…You just may find an answer
to something that you had a question about…Thereby saving a phone call
to the local chairman…
I know that a lot of you don’t have agreement books, we’re going
to try and put the book on this site
Here’s an example of a Penalty (it actually happened to me)…I
was coming into S. Kearny with train Q164 and ordered to yard the train on “D”
track and put the overflow onto “E” track…Make the hitch on the cars
there, No problem until the yardmaster also said to shove
those cars to the East End Air spot on “E” track…
Who? South Kearny Yardmaster, N. T. Bright (Name
Changed to protect his Identity)
What? Make Hitch on “E” track and shove
those cars to air spot on E.E. of track “E”
Where? South Kearny Yard,
When? 09/18/00 @1015hrs
Why? Irregular service at Final Terminal…Performing
yard service while yard crews are on duty… Coupling
to the cars was no problem but having to
shove the cars (not originally a part of your
train) to the air spot on the other end of the
track is your penalty…to the tune of 8hrs
pay…
Here’s another Penalty that can happen to an Engineer or Trainman, “The
Runaround”
Remember - Who,
What, Where, When, Why…
Who- Crew Dispatcher…
What- Runaround/ Mishandling…
Where - (in
this case what job and who got called for it instead of you)…
When- Time job went to work…
Why- I was 1st out,
Rested and available
I was 1st out rested and available and Crew Caller went to MC
Kronyak (emp#123456) to cover assignment YPOI-01 at 0645hrs on 09/18/04
claiming (either a full eight hours if you did
not work for the next 8hrs after the job went to work or the amount of time
from OI-1’s signup until you went to work but
not exceeding 8hrs) Even
if you got called for a 0700 job, put the
penalty in, That 15minutes is 15 minutes pay!!! This
could also work if you were say 2nd out, rested and available and
the guy ahead of you was not qualified for a job and they went to someone
BEHIND you on the list who was qualified.
- The Railroads have statistics that
most people will either not put a penalty in or not follow it up if it’s
denied…The first penalty really happened to me and it got denied at first. I
gave it to my local chairman and after about a year IT
DID GET PAID!!! Perseverance pays off as you will see in the next
example
This next story is about an engineer on the
Boston Line. His assignment required that he get off his road train and get on
a yard engine to make some kind of move at a location where they made a
pick/up. At the time (prior to 1985 I believe) this
was a penalty for changing locomotives (8hrs
pay). Well every time this happened he put in
a day’s pay, the company denied it. He would put the claims in with his
local chairman each time. He was on the same job for over a year and one day
he got two checks…one for his regular weekly pay and the other one was for
all the Penalties that he had put in for this particular claim…somewhere
near $30,000!!!* I
found this out because I worked with the conductor who had worked with this
engineer when he got the check…Moral
of story, put the penalties in…follow up on them if they get denied…
* , The dollar amount maybe wrong, it may have been only $25,000 or even as
much as $35,000 I forget the actual amount but it was substantial, somewhere
in between these two figures …you get the point…follow up on those denials
One last story, once when we were d/hing up to Selkirk on Amtrak, we got to
talking to the Amtrak Conductor and he was asking us about various people he
knew as he was former CR. He had about 10 yrs or so at this time on Amtrak
(this was about 1990 or so) and he said that he got a Conrail envelope in the
mail the previous year and he couldn‘t figure out what it was …It was a
check for 1 days pay for a Penalty from 1979 that he had put in and had been
denied and sub-sequentially paid… 10 yrs
later…I have to admit that I had
forgot about my days pay from the first example but when I saw it in my pay
statement I looked at the date again and saw it was from the previous year…I
knew exactly what it was for…Thank you, Andy…
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